South of the River Thames PUBS 
Greater London has 228 fewer pubs in the last 5 years - 638 were closed and 410 were opened.
The old boozer, where the regulars had their places at the bar and red and gold flock-wallpaper set the tone, is increasingly a thing of the past. In England and Wales six rural pubs close every week.
Once closed and boarded up these old pubs are ruthlessly targeted by developers either for demolition or conversion into flats.
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DID ANYONE USED TO DRINK IN ANY OF THESE PUBS? ANY STORIES TO TELL?
East Croydon - Lesley Arms
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San Dominico Restaurant & Bar Cobham
Ive driven past this empty building beside the A3 for years. There is something always slightly sinister looking about it - in a Hammer House of Horror sort of way. There is always a light on in one of the windows presumably security.
There have been rumours that it has some sort of secret military use.....................
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Charlton (The Victoria)
Front, inside and back of The Victoria
Jane Grant writes "I did indeed drink in there regularly with my husband and two friends in the mid-late 1990s.
The landlord was permanently drunk and the wrong side of the bar, he did bent MOTs and sold dodgy cars.
He had two classic vanguards, with original paperwork, but dodgy VIN numbers and for our sins, we
obtained an old capri from him complete with dodgy MOT. He was a classic of his kind and the destruction
of the old building will take a magnitude of memories with it. The whole pub sloped downwards, but it appeared
better the more you drank!"
Matt Helm writes "I had one scary night down in Charlton/Woolwich one night where we were locked in one of the
pubs at around 1:30am until the bloke outside with a grudge & sawn off shotgun sobered up and went home (can't
remember if it was The Victoria or The Thames Barrier Arms)! "
Greenwich (The Rose of Denmark)
I found an article in the Epping Forest Guardian which had a negative opinion of the
Rose of Denmark! "The atmosphere inside the pub was one of ice-cold indifference.
Various lone old men sat about with looks on their faces like the world was about to end.
Decor-wise, things are looking really knackered. But the real killer is the service. the tone
of the barmaid's verbal assault was similar to one employed by a mother chastising a
misbehaving toddler."
UPDATE! Currently being refurbished - maybe as a pub!
Woolwich (Mancinis aka The Gatehouse)
May 2007- Being converted into apartments.
Originally built as quarters for Woolwich Dockyard officers and later used the police in
1778-84. Ian Pennington recalls visiting it 10 years ago: " one of the group of us ordering some food,
pie and chips probably, receiving it, then splashing some vinegar from a bottle on the table over it........the vinegar seemed
to have dead fleas or creepy crawlies of some sort in it. And of course my mate only noticed this after he'd covered
his chips with it. " The pub ended its days as a gay haunt apparently.
Plumstead - The Ship
Russell writes:" The Ship in Plumstead Common reopened for a short time in the late 1990s as the Commoner's Rest, but closed
shortly afterwards. It only lasted a few months when it reopened as the Ship once more in about 2000. I remember it as a pub which
had the worst reputation for fights in the Plumstead Common area. It also had a stage for live acts but I don't remember seeing any there."
Deborah writes: I can remember The Ship being a real punk hang out back in the day and they did
have live bands on there in the early 80's
Deptford (The Thames)
An old engraving on the roof reads "The Rose & Crown"
Mark Goodwin writes:
"The Thames was owned by an old bloke called Dennis who also owns The Hoy just round the corner with this son who now runs it. He thought
he would sell up why the going was good, I noticed literally all the buildings surrounding The Thames are demolished but the pub still stands
as I think its Grade II listed. They also used to have strippers in there at lunchtimes many a year ago. Apparently Waitrose are moving in on
or around this site."
Tom writes:
"I grew up in the rose and crown Deptford now called the thames. My dad ran it for about 10 years. I have tried to find out several times who
wns the deads for the property but to no avail. 5 years ago I would have bought it but now seems like a lost cause. Use to be a great pub
in the 80’s. "
Charlton - Thames Barrier Arms
Previously called The Lads of The Village.Now a vets! The sign on the corner says "Roebuck Arms" but Bev Smith explains that
the pub was used in filming for an episode of the TV series "Londons Burning". So, the sign is just an abandoned prop......
Slade Green (The Railway Tavern)
Slade Green was at on time one of the biggest and busiest railway depots in Britain, and at one time teeming with steam trains
being shunted here and there. The Railway Tavern was obviously then a thriving public House. Southwark Coucil had intentions
to develop it as a hostel for asylum seekers, but Bexley Council objected and it never happened.
Woolwich (The Star)
The Star in Woolwich used to have strippers and was a great place for underage drinkers...
Vic Merson writes :" I remember attending a St Johns Ambulance function upstairs. It was full of medical bores, so my mate and I left early
removing half the contents of the fusebox on the way out plunging them into semi-darkness.......
Woolwich (Dockers Bar)
The Dockers Bar was only called that for a fateful few weeks while it was open.originally called the Lord Howick and later
renamed The Million Hare, and it was said that it was the only pub in Woolwich that you wiped your feet before you left.
"A truly dreadful place to drink in." Now reopened as The Pitch and Pint.
update - Another name change to Clancys!
Vauxhall (The Elephant & Castle)
I remember seeing this pub from the train everytime I travelled to London as a youngster misguided thinking this was the
area called Elephant & Castle. Now converted into a Starbucks - see Derelict London book for "then & now pics"!
Carole James writes: "In 1974 as a very sheltered 19 year old girl from a small rural town in New Zealand, never having been in any
hotel before in my life, I was taken to the Elephant and Castle one night quite late. We went in the door only to flounder around in a large
piece of black cloth which was apparently the blackout curtain from the war days, it was on a semi circle of pipe and was a trap to the
uninitiated. Once inside I thought I was in some kind of time warp. It was like an episode of some historic British programme except it
was real. Heavily pungent with workers underarm smell, and misty with cigarette smoke, lighting which seemed to come from only a
handful of low wattage light bulbs in various elderly forms of light fittings, a bar which was as robust looking as the rock of Gibralter,
and for which I was almost too little, people who were clearly on "their territory" and wondering who the hell you were, a couple of dogs
on the floor (dogs? in a public house?) and a lady who you could charitably say had seen better times and on perhaps the fifth too many
port and lemons, warbling away to an out of tune upright piano. Her hair had been dyed a sort of straw yellow but an inch either side of
her parting had reverted to iron grey and white, I remember the pub being busy, warm, smelly from sweaty under arm people if you were
close to them, smoky, poorish people in monetary terms but not in spirit or spirits! it has remained indelibly engraved on my mind most
probably because it was the first pub I had ever gone into. It was also one where I couldnt understand most of the English being spoken
around me because it wasnt in a New Zealand (English) accent. I kept expecting to hear an air raid siren. I remember coming back
outside into the black night and having the cleaner cold air hit my face, having to walk past brick buildings with windows which had
pieces of corrugated iron over them and wondering if I would ever safely get back to the Hotel in "town". But I still hold that pub very
fondly in my mind."
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Purley (The Propellor)
The name is a distant memory of the local Croydon Airport
Catford Bromley Rd (The Green Man)
Maze Hill (The Victoria) est 1886
was known locally as the "wooden house" many years ago, (known as the wooden house after the
Luftwaffe blew the back end of the pub off with a doodle bug in the 2nd
world war and it was lashed up with timber to keep it running). Now Demolished (Autumn 2006)
Rob Day writes:
"Back in 1977 "The Vic" was the only pub in Greenwich where a 15-year-old male with spiky bleached hair and an earring could get served
and not get his head kicked in, and the only pub in South London with a jukebox crammed with singles by then little-known punk acts like
the Clash, Pistols, Stranglers, ATV, etc etc. The right hand bar was run by a guy called Harry who stocked the jukebox, and populated entirely
by underage drinkers (apart from Harry) sporting the latest Oxfam-couture. The left hand bar was run by a proper old school landlord who
looked exactly like Mike Reid and was usually empty, but was beautifully fitted out with the original circular bar and a stained glass skylight
at the back - not that I gave a shit at the time. Celebs in attendance at that time included members of Squeeze (including Jools Holland),
Dire Straits and many other local bands who have quite rightly sunk without trace: Corduroy; Doctor and the Medics; Simon and the
Virgins; the list goes on..."
Harry Rogers writes: (The Harry mentioned above)
"The item on your site which refers to my bar (Harry's Bar) was not actually at the Queen Victoria .
Harry's Bar was actually in the next pub along called The Bricklayers Arms which has since been gutted and renamed twice though I don't
know what it was called. As for the clientele yes on certain nights the customers were quite young but on others they ranged from 16 to 60
and some great nights were had by all. To read more about the bar go to http://www.packetofthree.com where an interview with me will shortly
be published."
You can read Harry's blog here:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&friendID=79998443
Woolwich (Crown & Cushion)
The pub has recently been repainted allover white and received a wrap round advert for the Woolwich Arsenal development.
There is a longstanding dispute with the council, who want to demolish the building, and local residents who want it saved as
a reminder of the old Woolwich which has almost been obliterated.
Andrea Thorne writes: My husband and I used to be Managers/Landlords of the Crown & Cushion 1965-1967. We were the youngest
publicans in London . Both of us being 20 years of age when we took over. It’s sad to see it in such a bad shape.
I was back in the UK about 10 years ago and made a trip to the pub it hadn’t changed much.My daughter was born in the local hospital
and spent her first year there in the flat above. I remember her getting very sooty from the power station smoke when I put her out in the
back yard. We now live in the USA."
Deborah remembers this pub as a skinhead haunt in the early 80's
Lee (The Royal Oak)
Matt writes: "That was a great place to go for a drink at 1am, loads of young studenty types and a tiny back
garden/window box that smelt of damp and skunk."
Brixton (Russell Hotel)
Tom writes: "It was being run by a very drunk old irish barman called John, who claimed to have been put
there by the brewery to keep it open whilst they looked for a new owner. Any time we went in there there
John was pissed as a fart, hardly able to focus on the beer pumps. His moods tended to swing between
jovial friendliness, anger and close to tears. One time a deaf couple came in and he mistook their speaking
difficulties for drunkeness, refused to serve them as he thought they'd had enough already and shouted at
them till they left. It closed a couple of weeks after that."
Loughborough Junction (Green Man)
now being converted into flats
Brian writes: "Fond memories - the Green Man was my local, and a well mellow place to boot
back in the late 80s. Perhaps because there was a good old-fashioned late
night fighting pub a couple of hundred yards down the road - brawls pretty
much guaranteed every weekend - and the serious trendies hung out in
Brixton proper. The sound system had a winning line in Trojan and other
early ska, and Gus the landlord was a particularly genial man. I was told
once after a few bevvies that ex T Rex bongo player Mickie Finn lived just
down the road before he died. As far as I can recall the Green Man shut in
about 1990 - the rumour was that Gus had to leg it back to Jamaica at
fairly short notice for some reason."
Isleworth (Kings Arms)
Bellingham (Tigers Head)
Roehampton (Kings Head)
Roehampton (Montague Arms)
Bermondsey (The Barnaby)
Nunhead (Railway Tavern)
The building has been demolished - just the sign remains
Plumstead (Rose and Crown)
Eltham Common (The Welcome Inn)
A local family "Harvester" restaurant/bar, It suffered a fire in approx 2006 and was internally completely gutted.
Elephant & Castle (Bar Uptown)
Reopened as The Ministry of Salsa but now the entire block has been demolished as part of the Elephant's
regeneration
Tower Bridge (Raven at the Tower)
Just a few minutes walk from one of the world's most famous tourist icons: Tower Bridge
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Bermondsey (Earl of Beaconsfield)
J Flood writes: this pub used to be my grandfathers during the 2nd world war. My father used to take me there on
a no. 70 tram.. I remember playing on the flat roof watching the southern railway trains go by.. I used to enjoy
visiting my granddad as I used to be given all the used metal beer bottle tops (different colours) which as kids
we stuck to our clothes like medals I do remember the pub was popular with the dockers and although the pub
received a couple of incendiary bombs during the big german raid on the surrey docks remained open .
although I understand my dad tried to persuade my grandad to leave because of the risk so close to the docks
but evidently stayed to give the dockers their beer. At least that is the story I grew up with..i also remember a
pianola in the bar and pictures of my grandad on the walls I suppose all gone now…"
Deptford (Princess of Wales)
MD69 writes:"This pub used to belong to my grandparents, and they were the last owners before selling it to developers a few years ago.
The pub was haunted according to members of the family by a Victorian child (although I never saw the alleged spirit myself) and has been
used in various TV productions, such as Hale and Pace and The Bill. It was a traditional family pub in design, over 4 floors with 6 bedrooms
and 3 bathrooms, and was family run until it's closure."
Kingston (The Cambridge Arms)
David Sydenham writes:
"I used to live in a flat opposite the pub.It was a fairly rough pub on a main road going out of Kingston. Behind the pub are a couple of tower
blocks which the police/fire brigade seem to be called out to on a regular basis. Not many people used to be in there, they tried to do the pub
up and painted it the lovely red colour in the photo which made it look a lot worse. A couple of months after the ‘renovation’ there was a fire
one night (early 2002 I think), which I took great delight in watching. It was boarded up for a few months before gypsies or ‘eco-warriors’
got into the pub and set-up a ‘second-hand’ shop with the usual car stereos and mattresses on sale. Its now been knocked down I’ve heard."
Now luxury flats..........
West Norwood - Jack Stamps
Many a funeral wake was held here due to the close proximity to West Norwood Cemetery.
The front now accomodates a flower stall
Bermondsey - Manor Tavern
London Bridge - The Antigallican
Surrounded by mass redevelopment in Tooley St
The name harks back to the days when sailors returned from Trafalgar.
Old Kent Road - Thomas A Beckett
This was one of South London's most famous pubs as it had a boxing gym upstairs frequented by all the top names
in British boxing such as Henry Cooper. I also remember going to see punk bands play in the downstairs bar on a Sunday
evening in the late 80's
London Bridge - St Johns Tavern
Camberwell - William The Fourth
Bermondsey - Gloucester Arms
Addiscombe - The Black Horse
I got to this pub a few weeks too late....
Joanne writes: "I worked just at the back of the pub in the Co-op car park (of all places) and spent many
a happy lunchtime in there or in their beer garden ! The day I remember most was 9/11 ! My mate and I
had had a particularly bad morning at work (for some reason everyone was in a mood that morning), and
it came over the radio what had happened and tbh it didn't really register until we got back to the office
and tried to access the news sites ! the rest, tragically is history. While I'm not old enough to really
remember where I was when JFK was shot, I'll always remember where I was when I heard about
the one event that imho has brought about the biggest (not necessarily the best) changes the world
has seen in the last 50 years."
Martin writes: In 1970 I worked for a week at the Black Horse in Addiscombe. The saloon bar customers
were pleasant, and the public bar seemed mostly have been to prison and were very unpleasant. I find
this interesting as I spent a lot of time in later years representing such people who were nice as pie.
Shows you don't see the real person till you serve them drinks. The owners were pretty ghastly too.
I left because the place was so unpleasant. Beer was 1s and 8 pence a pint."
Beckenham The Clock House courtesy of Ian Muir
It has now been demolished to make way for flats.The pub was only
built in the middle 60s. The ground lay derelict after the original pub on
that site called The King Arthur blown up by a flying bomb during the war
killing over 40 people, many bodies were not found.
www.beckenhamhistory.com
East Greenwich - Duke of Wellington
pic courtesy of Jess
West Croydon - The Half Moon
Justin writes: Having lived in Croydon most of my life this pub was a no go when i was younger. A while back the
landlord/owner put some money in the place and done a real good job of attracting a more broader crowd. My
then girlfriend (now my wife),who lived near the pub, had a few good nights there.Sadly this was short lived as
the pub was located in an area which has a very negative stigma for many reasons and closed down and was
vandalised within days which just compounds this stigma.
Greenwich (Millers)
Gareth writes: I remember Millers well from the mid 80’s when a group of us who worked in Lewisham at a
company called Fisher Controls (now also long gone there’s a Tesco there!) regularly drank on Saturday nights
in particular. There was loud music and at the time I think we mistakenly believed it was a great place to pick
up girls. Still I have some happy memories of the place.If I remember rightly the old Merryweather fire engine
factory was very close (but that had closed by then).
Richard writes: Used to drink in the Millers regular most Thursdays around 93/94, always a good laugh, but my
main recollection is of the DJ ALWAYS playing Nina Simones, My Baby Just Cares For Me at chucking out time!
Putney (The Boat & Dragon)
The Greyhound Tavern - South Norwood
pic courtesy of Pete McGill
The Red Cow - Bermondsey pic courtesy of Suzi Bassett
Pat writes: I used to DJ in the Red Cow from about 1973 through to 1981. My younger brother Dj'd at the Barnaby.
Two great pubs in their time, now they and others like then have gone, the soul is slowly going out of the place.
The owner George Cottle ruled the place and we never saw any trouble there, A place for great barmaids too.
One New Years day I started playing at 12.00, and finished that night at 11.00, the same crowd stayed for the
whole session. The DJ "box" there was like sauna in the summer, but the never ending stream of pints that
followed playing requests made it worth it. Loved it there, roast potatoes and cheese on Sunday lunchtimes"
Woolwich (Princess of Wales)
Woolwich - The Woolwich Infant
From the road this pub looked defunct but upon closer inspection was actually open. Inside isnt much better either.
I was in a hurry anyway so didnt have time to stop for a drink....Had a ferry to catch!
someone recently wrote to me about this pub:
'The Woolwich Infant' is still a live Pub. I know it does not look like much from the outside, but it is still a very popular Pub
with the local Gay and Lesbian Community. It is owned and managed by a Lesbian couple.
and then it had a makeover:
Oh no its closed down again: (Nov 2006)
2008 and its a cheque converter shop!
Here's some pics taken by Steven White:
Sydenham - Sir Ernest Shackelton
Walworth - Archduke Charles
Court Tavern - Kennington
Bricklayers Arms - Camberwell
Queen Elizabeth - Peckham
Prince & Princess of Wales - Walworth
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